[HPCC-Conf] Conference Report
Richard Nelson
hpcc-conf@lists.handheld.org
Thu Oct 3 06:58:01 2002
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Hello Tony, et. al,
See my comments below.
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > As most of you who attended the Conference know, the folks
> > from HP had their slides - as quick as they were in some cases -
> > marked HP Private. Fred also told us that we should not
>
>YEs, I noticed that. It was clearly visible from the front row anyway.
>
> > publish what were heard. I hope everyone will respect HP's
> > wishes and this will be a good test of our being responsible.
>
>I feel that we have to respect HP's wishes in this, but that we (HPCC)
>should never have got into this position in the first place.
>
>You (Richard) say in your draft conference report (which I managed to
>read, I think, for all it was in a proprietary format) that information
>should not be secret. I agree 100% in general. We need to share
>information. It's the only way forward.
>
>But obviously commercially-sensitive information needs to be restricted.
>
>The solution (at least to me) is for conference orgainisers to make it
>clear from the start that they won't accept presentations if there are
>any conditions placed on recording or reporting them. If this means we
>miss out on on early information, so be it. The fact is that no sane
>person bases their decisions on that sort of presenation. In other words,
>if I want an RPN calculator, I am not going to wait to see what comes out
>if a few months time. I'll get something that's available now. I am also
>not going to change one of the current projects on my bench just beacue
>HP are coming out with something new.
The situation this year was exceptional. HP was gone for over two years.
The "new" team was meeting the "Community" for the first time. We
had no idea what to expect just they had no idea what to expect. I think
that they were surprised and impressed. As it turned out, no one knew
what they were going to say until they said it. Even the people who
attended were not the ones who were going to attend originally. I agree
that it is uncomfortable to be put in such a position, but sometimes
things just happen beyond anyones control.
>Had it been a highly technical presentation on the internals of the
>machine that they'd not wanted recorded, I _might_ have felt
>differently. But to be honest, the HP presentation was relatively
>content-free.
I believe that the "lesson" to be learned here is how any "relationship"
between the User Community and HP can work. They are professionals
and their view of the calculator world is very different from ours.
There will/should be activities and involvement only to the extent that it is
mutually worthwhile. The delicate balance between our interests
is difficult and challenging. Most members of the Community have
little idea of the inner workings of a company like HP. We got a small
peek at the conference. The conversation on Sunday was quite different
than that of Saturday for obvious reasons.
> >
> > Do you like having HP attend meetings and Conferences?
>
>As I've said before, I want HPCC to remain indepedant of HP. If HP wish
>to attend our meetings then it has to be on _our_ terms. If they don't
>like said terms, then they should stay away.
That balance of independence and sharing mutual interests is a difficult
one that each group has to work out on an incident by incident basis. This
"balance" between our interests and HP's interests is a vital part of who
we are. As I have said, I don't believe that a totally independent group is
healthy or a good idea when you look at the special situation of Calculators.
I struggled with this issue a great deal over the years and I could tell you
a lot of stories of the "struggles" and the "battles" that have occurred.
It is a completely new world and it will never be like it was. We just
have to adjust to it, and having this experience is, over all, IMHO,
a good one.
>And FWIW, I would be totally against delaying an issue of DataFile
>because of this. Sure we can't publish this information before HP allow
>us to, but that just means it goes in the next issue. DataFile is not an
>HP publicity flyer.
Absolutely, but I also believe the DAtafile should serve its readers by
providing accurate and timely information. That is the struggle of the
editor. If it were easy anyone could do the job. I don't know the
schedule and I am not making any recommendations here. I am
sure Bruce will sort it out.
>-tony
X < > Y,
Richard
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<font color="#0000FF"><b>Hello Tony, et. al,<br><br>
See my comments below</b></font>.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>> Hello Everyone,<br>
> <br>
> As most of you who attended the Conference know, the folks<br>
> from HP had their slides - as quick as they were in some cases
-<br>
> marked HP Private. Fred also told us that we should
not<br><br>
YEs, I noticed that. It was clearly visible from the front row
anyway.<br><br>
> publish what were heard. I hope everyone will respect
HP's<br>
> wishes and this will be a good test of our being
responsible.<br><br>
I feel that we have to respect HP's wishes in this, but that we (HPCC)
<br>
should never have got into this position in the first place.<br><br>
You (Richard) say in your draft conference report (which I managed to
<br>
read, I think, for all it was in a proprietary format) that information
<br>
should not be secret. I agree 100% in general. We need to share <br>
information. It's the only way forward. <br><br>
But obviously commercially-sensitive information needs to be restricted.
<br><br>
The solution (at least to me) is for conference orgainisers to make it
<br>
clear from the start that they won't accept presentations if there are
<br>
any conditions placed on recording or reporting them. If this means we
<br>
miss out on on early information, so be it. The fact is that no sane
<br>
person bases their decisions on that sort of presenation. In other words,
<br>
if I want an RPN calculator, I am not going to wait to see what comes out
<br>
if a few months time. I'll get something that's available now. I am also
<br>
not going to change one of the current projects on my bench just beacue
<br>
HP are coming out with something new.</blockquote><br>
<font color="#0000FF"><b>The situation this year was exceptional.
HP was gone for over two years.<br>
The "new" team was meeting the "Community" for the
first time. We<br>
had no idea what to expect just they had no idea what to expect. I
think<br>
that they were surprised and impressed. As it turned out, no one
knew<br>
what they were going to say until they said it. Even the people
who<br>
attended were not the ones who were going to attend originally. I
agree<br>
that it is uncomfortable to be put in such a position, but
sometimes<br>
things just happen beyond anyones control.<br><br>
</b></font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Had it been a highly
technical presentation on the internals of the <br>
machine that they'd not wanted recorded, I _might_ have felt <br>
differently. But to be honest, the HP presentation was relatively <br>
content-free. </blockquote><br>
<font color="#0000FF"><b>I believe that the "lesson" to be
learned here is how any "relationship"<br>
between the User Community and HP can work. They are
professionals<br>
and their view of the calculator world is very different from ours.<br>
There will/should be activities and involvement only to the extent that
it is <br>
mutually worthwhile. The delicate balance between our interests
<br>
is difficult and challenging. Most members of the Community
have<br>
little idea of the inner workings of a company like HP. We
got a small<br>
peek at the conference. The conversation on Sunday was quite
different<br>
than that of Saturday for obvious reasons.<br><br>
</b></font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>> <br>
> Do you like having HP attend meetings and Conferences?<br><br>
As I've said before, I want HPCC to remain indepedant of HP. If HP wish
<br>
to attend our meetings then it has to be on _our_ terms. If they don't
<br>
like said terms, then they should stay away.</blockquote><br>
<font color="#0000FF"><b>That balance of independence and sharing mutual
interests is a difficult<br>
one that each group has to work out on an incident by incident
basis. This<br>
"balance" between our interests and HP's interests is a vital
part of who<br>
we are. As I have said, I don't believe that a totally independent
group is<br>
healthy or a good idea when you look at the special situation of
Calculators.<br>
I struggled with this issue a great deal over the years and I could tell
you <br>
a lot of stories of the "struggles" and the "battles"
that have occurred. <br>
It is a completely new world and it will never be like it was. We
just <br>
have to adjust to it, and having this experience is, over all,
IMHO,<br>
a good one.<br><br>
</b></font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>And FWIW, I would be
totally against delaying an issue of DataFile <br>
because of this. Sure we can't publish this information before HP allow
<br>
us to, but that just means it goes in the next issue. DataFile is not an
<br>
HP publicity flyer.</blockquote><br>
<font color="#0000FF"><b>Absolutely, but I also believe the DAtafile
should serve its readers by <br>
providing accurate and timely information. That is the struggle of
the <br>
editor. If it were easy anyone could do the job. I don't know
the <br>
schedule and I am not making any recommendations here. I am <br>
sure Bruce will sort it out.<br><br>
</b></font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>-tony<br>
</blockquote><font color="#0000FF"><b>X < > Y,<br><br>
Richard<br><br>
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