was-[HPCC-Conf] Conference Report, now flamage

Sat Oct 5 15:12:01 2002

Nice!  A flame-fest.  How cool is that!

Richard, you are gushing and being patronising (or in modern parlance,
succumbing to streaming-drivel).

Whilst Tony could benefit from information about history of PPC, etc, he
should not be required to do so.  Despite his self-admitted social
maladroitness, I find is comments refreshingly forthright and germane.  And
I would encourage them, despite Jo "why can't everyone just get along"
Vandale.

He hit your buttons (acting like spoiled brat) so you (and Joe 'LOADED
questions' Horn) baited him (conference efforts), he bit (I put out), and
then you played your trump card (NOMAS stuff), but you got out-trumped
(relevance...), and now you're trawling with off-topic diversions (language,
stereotypes...), to drag everyone else in.

Richard bad.

Jeremy "asbestos long-johns clad" Smith
Taker and proud of it
--
jeremy@peak.org
quality is an emergent property of quantity
karma is expecting the same results from non-living systems as living
systems

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Nelson <rjnelson@aemf.org>
To: hpcc-conf@lists.handheld.org <hpcc-conf@lists.handheld.org>
Cc: hpcc-conf@lists.handheld.org <hpcc-conf@lists.handheld.org>
Date: Saturday, October 05, 2002 09:42
Subject: Re: [HPCC-Conf] Conference Report

Hello,

I am sure Tony seeks the truth, and if he looks a
little further he will indeed find it.  He could not
be possibly mean me as the person he alludes to
because I  do not meet the criteria mentioned.
Who then is that person?  Why would this person
organize the Conference for the American attendees?
What was the purpose of the hundreds of hours of
work?  What was the personal or material gain as
you see it?  Did HPCC increase or decrease in value,
materially and educationally?  Things happened
at the Conference that went right past you, but they
did not escape many who were there.  Some of these
have already been discussed on this list.

Like I said, keep searching and trying to understand
and the truth will manifest itself.  Living on an island
doesn't have to mean that you can't know the rest of
the world.

Try to think more of an HP User Community on
planet earth and you will discover something
beyond yourself, beyond HPCC, and beyond the
UK.  It is a BIG world and we, most of those who
attended the Conference are about a certain kind of
technical person that just happens to have HP machines
as a focus.  If you limit your thinking to the hardware
you will completely miss the point.

Keep on with the discussion and get the input from
others as being expressed here and you will
get the picture.  I observed a much greater sense of
differences among European Countries on this, my
fifth trip.  Even with the EU there strong differences.
I suppose that we - Americans - strive to reduce those
differences, with great pain and difficulty, so that society
can get on with a good life for everyone.

Here is a question to ponder.  As the world shrinks with
increased travel and communication among people rather
than just among nations, is the tendency to increase the
number of languages or to decrease the number of languages?

Even in the US there are vast regional differences.  The East, the
Mid West, the West, and the South.  People have different attitudes
and values.  While we Americans may not be multilingual we are
exposed to the world because people of the world come here
bringing with them their culture and values.

The company I work for recruits the best people we can get
from all around the world.  In our small lunch room I may
hear six different languages at any given time in a company
of 75 people.  Why do these people leave their native
Universities and come to the US?

Whenever there are differences among the Community - and
this is most of the time because we are just people - it is
good to ask "What is the point, what is the purpose"  When
people gather and interact, the problems or issues become
quite manageable if everyone has the same desire, the same
goal.  Making decisions based on the goal and not based on
personal needs becomes easier.  Of course we all have personal
needs and we expect to have some of these met by being a member
of the group.  A good test to determine how you fit into all of this
is to tally two things.  List all those things you have gained from
being a member of the group, and then list all those things you have
given to the group.  Which list is longer?  If the former is longer
you are a taker, if the latter is longer you are a giver.

When you talk about people with regards to HPCC or "others" I
would like your evaluation of them.  Are they givers or takers.
Is Jake Schwartz a giver or taker?  Is Bruce Horrocks a giver or
taker?  In the final analysis, when you measure the progress towards
the goal, was the Conference a giver or taker to HPCC?

X < > Y,

Richard
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At 10/4/200211:53 PM+0100, Tony Duell wrote:
> >
> > > THis is not a valid reason, IMHO, particularly not at an HPCC =
> > conference=20
> > > (which this claimed to be, even though I somewhat doubt it was!).=20
> >
> > Please clarify something for me.  Was this an International HHC =
> > conference, hosted by HPCC, or was it an HPCC conference to which =
> > non-HPCC members were invited?
>
>On paper it was an HPCC conference (HPCC officially orgainsed and funded
>it) to which members of other clubs were invited (and anyone could come
>if they wanted too).
>
>However, since it appears to have been partially organised by a
>non-member of HPCC, and since it appears to have primarily been run for
>the benefit of some American club members, I do have difficulty thinking
>of it as an HPCC event.
>
>-tony
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